Episode 336 – United Shore Career Fair, Over 300 Open IT Jobs

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Well, if you’re looking for a new job in the information technology field, you’re probably going to want to keep this event next week in mind.  Listen in as the CTO and lead recruiter talk about the upcoming job fair for United Shore’s open IT positions…

Details at: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/united-shore-it-career-fair-march-4-2020-registration-91911982213

Speaker 1:

Hey, what’s going on? This is episode three 36 of the it and the D show guests this week include Jason Bressler. He is the CTO Matt Turner. He is one of the head recruiters of United shore mortgage. They’re putting on a career fair on March 4th over 300 open it positions, everything from coding to networking. They’re going to be talking all about it. You’re going to Snowmageddon in Detroit and we got a lot of funny stories and Dave, you may fire when ready. Hey, what’s happening? What’s going on? This is episode three 36 of the one and only it in the D show. We are broadcasting live here in studio one podcast. He threatened beautiful snowy Royal Oak, Michigan spot. The sales guy. That is Dave the geek. Randy. I do the Twitters is doing the Twitters, find us online it and the D. dot com and do us a favor. Give us a like on the socials, subscribe to us everywhere. Fine podcasts

Speaker 2:

or sold. Hey, so what do we have? We got a the Anarbor event coming up on, uh, three, three, uh, I forget. I always forget the odd even thing. I should have that memorized by now and I just don’t two years now. Yeah, I am. I, my brain refuses to commit that to memory. Uh, and then we had, uh, well the next one is, uh, the 19th that will be at the cozy lounge. Uh, and they are really kind of dorked about us being there. And not only that, they’re named for one of the best burgers in Southeastern Michigan. Yeah. They were like one of the, yeah, the one of the top 10 burgers, right? Like, Oh my God, they’re so cool. I agree. And I would like James [inaudible] from Mabel gray who was like, I think he’s James Beard. He’s one of the top chefs in, yeah.

Speaker 2:

He like swears by their chicken biscuits. So like that honestly, God for, it’s a little dive bar. It’s a little townie bar, but they’ve transformed that they can do like kind of a cool little place, great little place. And we’re looking forward to it. And, and you know, and then the last week we had our event at Woodbridge pub. Um, really? Well, that was the first time I remember being there. I haven’t been there before, but I haven’t been since my Wayne state days. Oh yeah. And, and like that place like just brought back tons of, yeah. It was phenomenal. Like love that place, love to go back. Everybody was like, it couldn’t have been happier and it was yet another one. That’s like, a lot of the people that showed up were like, Oh my God, heard about this place. Never been here. Really digging it.

Speaker 2:

And they have decent sipping room and you know, and they have food as long as you don’t want the chicken wings. No chicken wings. Yeah. Chicken wings are gone. I was in the mode, but then I had, I ordered that chicken one tons. That sounds weird. All over to that. And it’s chicken egg rolls. It’s like you take the bottom of chicken soup and you slab in an egg roll and it was actually pretty good anyway. Yeah. Looking forward to it. Looking forward to cozy. It should be good. Um, and then, Hey, uh, just on a personal note, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention, um, Hey, rest in peace. Kelly Tucker, uh, great guy. Uh, local, uh, I mean he, he did, uh, stuff with us back in the raw radio X days. Uh, he was a sound guy over at the Ritz downtown at st Andrews.

Speaker 2:

He did stuff out at diesel. Uh, Kate, one of our engineers actually went to graduated specs wait time. A lot of people touch a lot of lives. They, I was, uh, if you read his wall today, man, touching a lot of lives. Yeah. Great. Great guy. Gone too. Damn soon. Uh, so rest easy bro. So Honda, funny, yucky cheats. Nah, no show. Must go on, right. He would say the same thing. Don’t cut the damn Mike. But one of the, uh, the funny race and I don’t, one of the funniest tweets I’ve seen all week. Uh, basically I didn’t even know that this was possible or this was a thing. Um, but basically it’s an app powered car and this couple when basically in rural California on the mountain, like basically for a drive on the weekend. Yeah. And they lost cell signal cell coverage and their car Brecht.

Speaker 2:

And it got stuck literally in the middle of the shit’s villain nowhere. That was the best day Heather. So car will not go. And I, I guess this is where we live now. Right? But here’s the stupidest part. I’m like, wait a minute, you’re tweeting. So the cell phone works. So the first tweet they answer their own like stupid question. They’re like, it appears though I do not have enough cell service to start. My only means of transportation. I do have enough to live tweet my struggle. So thanks for tuning in. I’ll be here. And definitely like again, I was stupid. Like you can send out tweets but you know, what does the car need? Like just bandwidth requirements. Got it. Who died? Yeah. That’s one of the dumbest things I did. Like I, I was going back to like, the one thing I could think of was like the old stories about like you don’t know far superstar, uh, that had like the GPS tracking devices and cutouts cars, the low jacks and all that stuff on financed vehicles.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So just, yeah, just the bizarre I, yeah, I, it’s just one of those weird things that like you don’t really think through well they would think there’s not full coverage everywhere. You, you know, I don’t know. It did remind me though. I watched the worst photo. That seems like a pretty common shortsighted oversight of it. It, there isn’t, there isn’t a cell, there isn’t a cell company that says a hundred percent coverage. Like they all say 99.9% or whatever. They, you know, there’s always some weird pocket and weirdo they prominent use sprint or something. It’s Bryant. Yeah, it does remind me of the worst. I think one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen in my life this weekend and that saved something and I should’ve known, I should’ve known better. It was called cell. And you know, I think I’ve seen like the trailer for this, but I haven’t actually watched it.

Speaker 2:

I love me some John Q SAC, he’s one of my top of all time, who’s coming to town in April. He is for the free. I tweeted them to see if he’d come on the show. That’s not going to happen. But whatever wishful thinking. We’ve got Anthony Michael Hall, my Mizel, you know, I’ll shoot for the moon at this point. I’m Samuel L. Jackson was in it and uh, it was kind of like the all 11% on rotten tomatoes. I know. I go, there’s no way it can be that cause it, was he tired of the cell phones on his head? No, no. I didn’t get that bad. But like it was a, and then it was like 18% audience score. I go, there’s no way it could be that bad. And it starts off like put, wait. Oh, but wait. Yeah. So he starts out like John Q six in the airport and all of a sudden, like, everyone that’s on their cell phone is like, uh, killing people.

Speaker 2:

Like right. Like, it’s almost like Dawn of the dead wood Ving right. We’re in the beginning. It’s like that cool scene where like the outbreak starts and like the town’s on fire and all this, so they go out in a remote remote, whatever. And if you were like open up a cell phone like so like cell phones became that VHS tape in the rain. Then the people open up their models and like get cell signal like [inaudible] and like then they like, yeah it ended there. Basically a guy handsome, they find this diner and the guy hands him like a flip phone. He says, dial this number when you need to save. And like at the end of the movies, like he calls the number and then he’s like in this ring of people around the cell tower and now they’re all going to [inaudible] and that was it, dude.

Speaker 2:

I swear to God I could go. That couldn’t have been it. And the credits are rolling. I’m like, I sat through this whole, I don’t know, this sounds like a good cheesy movie date night. It’s not the watch one of those. Like what have you heard the MST three K? No, I was gonna say my standard. No, because it wasn’t, it wasn’t like the Perato movies and all those stupid we, me and my wife watched some dumb one where like there was a beast in the sand and have you touched the sand? I was like, well floors, lava and you eat and, and at the end it came out of the sand. Was it the Sarlacc? I guess I’m going to stick with my standard cheesy date movie. Then a good snow. What’s that? Oh, you haven’t seen dead snow. Is it worse than Jack Frost? It’s a, not that Michael Keaton one the horrible where the snowman kills people, but nobody thinks to light a fricking match Nazi zombies up in Norway.

Speaker 2:

Come on. It’s amazing. Nazi zombies. No, I did see the one that was the has a sequel red dead two red versus dead, which is Russian zombies versus Nazi zombies. What was the one Nazi Nazi midgets and later hosing or something. And there was like a movie that was like, I’d show it to him. I had to click on and I lasted about eight minutes. This is the worst thing I’ve ever seen in my life. That’s outstanding. I’m kind of a weird week for hackers. Yes. Week. So, and I did, I found this interesting. Um, so the same hacker ran two exploits, um, against [inaudible] and managed to walk away. Well, what’s, for those that don’t know what’s, what’s DFI? It’s a decentralized finance. So it’s, you know, like, uh, all the cryptocurrency stuff that you got it. Got it. Got it. Um, and it’s one of the, one of the, you know, the trading houses and walked away with over $1 million in Ethereum over the course of two transactions.

Speaker 2:

But see, now explain to me this dumb dumb guy in me says, don’t you, where do you cash that out if you stole it because it’s tagged, it’s marked, it’s fingerprinted. Do you follow what I’m saying? Like, you can’t go on Coinbase and cash it out. Like if you just took it from softball. I mean, in theory you could, but I mean, it’s actually more to the point that knowing those exploits are feasible and viable. Um, cause yeah, I mean he basically just, you know, exploited, uh, I guess what in in certain circles as a very well known, uh, I just kind of flaw in the way that the, you know, the transactions are authenticated and that kind of stuff and just overflowed the system and whew. There want a million bucks. Wow. That was, this wasn’t a pen test. This was like, just like, how did they know?

Speaker 2:

Was it like stupid kid bragged about it? Like on social? No, they realize it’s gone. Yeah. Yeah. There’s two transactions over $1 million call and you’re going to notice, Oh my God, that’s insane. Oh yeah. Good luck with that. Yeah. So this one was, I, I don’t know if you, if you watched the video of this at all, um, especially in light of, Oh, by the way, the news broke today. Did you hear that? We’ve picked up a second moon. What, uh, the earth has picked up a second moon that’s no moon yet. Uh, and it’s about the size of a car. Um, they said it’s, it’s basically an asteroid that drifted close enough to get sucked into our gravitational orbit. Uh, there’s a whole ton of shit in our grad gravitational orbit, but not like this, not orbiting the earth like this. Um, and so, but they said it’s already on.

Speaker 2:

Um, like a, I forget what they call it, a skewed trajectory. So it’s probably only gonna be around for, you know, a while and then it’s going to get flung back out. Um, you know, it’s doing the whole star Trek whip around the sun. You know, it is a quote temporary captured object. Yes. Are we going to land on it? And somebody will not land on this planet in the name of, somebody will put their name, spray paint their name on it. Why not? I’m sure Elon Musk is desperately trying to figure out how to get there, to put it, put a logo on it. Yeah, totally. Uh, but no. So, uh, there was an asteroid that, uh, hit, well it didn’t hit, but it exploded, um, over the, over India and basically turned at night into day for awhile. Dude, I remember when we were kids, there’s a gas plant on Moravian and Shaner that blew up and I’m maybe 10 or 12.

Speaker 2:

There’s people, I remember this story cause their cars melted, the siding melted and the whole sky three in the morning is orange. Yeah, this sounds good. I scream that the aliens are going to get us and my parents like, cause I was, I watched all that crap. The big foot shows, the alien shows the UFOs. And I’m like these sound like the sort of coincidence is that trigger or complete agent spells. Like you know when the sky burns and whoops, yeah, the seventh sign of the whatever it is. Well yeah, 53 equivalent to 53 tons of TNT being detonated in the skies, CCTV footage of a cheese. And they said there’s a, and that was good. I, I went down the rabbit hole with all these, with all these kind of stories. And then there’s basically, there’s another one, um, that should be missing the earth, uh, by about, I forget what it was.

Speaker 2:

I think it’s like 2 million miles. Um, which sounds like a lot, but it’s really not in astronomical terms apparently. Um, but they said the next time it comes around in 20 years, it’s going to do this exact same thing and it’s one of those bigger ones that we probably want to figure out a way to deal with it before it hits the atmosphere. I don’t shoot up a bill, Bruce Willis and exactly the same Aerosmith balance, much easier to train in a minor to be an astronaut than an astronaut. Ben Affleck, who else is in a piece of shit movie? Lou Tyler stupid. Just Oh, what’s his name?

Speaker 2:

Oh God. That movie is hell. I’m not saddling blade in that movie. Billy Bob, you refer to him as Slingblade. I couldn’t spit it enough crap. Since then by the French fried potatoes. I’m no stupid one. And I want to test, see if Tom Lawrence has cars, we should mess with them. Uh, in meal daddy. Yeah. I want hackers stuck apparently a two inch strip of tape on a 35 mile an hour speed sign and trick to Tesla’s and accelerating the 85 miles an hour. That’s what they did. Yeah. They took two inch tape cause you know the, the lettering is, or the numbering is two inches wide, the paint strokes, uh, and turned a 35 mile an hour sign and do an 85 mile an hour sign. So riddle me this, like when you got GPS on in your Googles and your car, they have the posted speed limit.

Speaker 2:

So wouldn’t that, Oh you would think that would override reading tape. Cause there’s no place in the U S where there’s an 85 mile an hour speed limit isn’t a Wyoming. I believe there is Montana maybe. But like, but no. So it coders would put you, you would, you would think that they wouldn’t. So and so Tom actually kind of laid this out a little bit pretty decently where it is. So it was the old, it was a, the Teslas that were hit were running the old first generation. Um, don’t they update those and I guess they hadn’t at that point. Uh, and so they were still using the, trying to use the recognition of there’s the sign, read the sign instead of what, you know, what we have now where, you know, yes, your nav system knows, you know, a lot of what the local speed limit signs or what the local speed limits are and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2:

Uh, so theoretically this shouldn’t be too big of a problem, but it’s still an issue. It’s a piece of code that says like no read, sign, run. Yeah, it did it true across database to decelerate and that’s, that’s not a cool thing. God, give me my old 76 Cadillac and my eight track player and just leave me the hell alone with seal seal room hover caps. Anyway, uh, the best story of the week, this is by far I do the world TaeKwonDo foundation yes. Has changed their name. WTF is just world TaeKwonDo because they were tired of everybody trying to buy their merchandise and use their apparel because it said WTF wasn’t, it was like that when we were, when I was like 19 or 21 like around that norm. Like the Fordham university cause it was FTU and like South Carolina it was like just Cox did that.

Speaker 2:

Those are like, those are like the best. Everyone had those hats like when we warm to spring break and then you never warm again. Oh it was it like a guide like the university of North Texas and everybody bought the coffee cup because when you put the handle out with yeah, right, right, right, right. Oh yeah. Yeah. C C was the head and I’ll get the UNT university North. Yeah, they still sell those, don’t they? I probably, yeah, but no. So I just, I think it’s hilarious that it all right. If I were them, I would have just embraced this and run with it all day and just take the merchandise sales and run [inaudible]. All guys were selling too much merchandise. Know how. Is this a problem? What did they change it to? I can’t even see. I just world TaeKwonDo shout up. They just dropped the F.

Speaker 2:

I’m still pissed at the world wildlife fund by the way. They will never be the WWF to me. No of the picture of the Panda bear hitting the other church. A chair that started real quick. I’ve sent them, I’ve sent them letters like you’ve ruined wrestling. I hope you’re happy. I hope your pan does die. Yeah, I was, I was better when it first happened. I still haven’t called a WWE since a bunch of garbage, isn’t it? Just w w now WWE entertainment movies and stupid stuff. Yeah. Anyway, cause they had to prove they weren’t a sport because whatever, cause they’re soap opera for people who don’t wanna admit to us. Soap operas. It’s a soap opera for dudes who would never admit they watch soap operas. Yes. So we got that, we got that update we talked about on the Samsung phones, find my mobile and I, I didn’t wake up to it cause my phone’s downstairs when I sleep, you know, probably for the, for the better.

Speaker 2:

And I thought nothing of it. I thought it was weird finding my mobile. I’m like, I thought, you know, cause we’re all connected. Family plan. I’m like somebody’s lost phone, whatever, but there’s an update. I didn’t, uh, what was three last week was Samsung basically saying, um, yeah, just accidentally trigger the alert. Nothing to see here. Move along. Right. And then the story updated this week. I w w I don’t know what the update is to be honest. I like what did, what did they say? Uh, so from what I, from what I, from what I recall from the story, I believe there’s a data breach in the midst of this cause something was, something came out that you could see certain phones could see other user’s data. Yeah. But it was like random and you didn’t know whose it was, but you could see their names, phone numbers, mailing addresses, email addresses.

Speaker 2:

Oh, it went that far. Yeah. So I’m sure the sand and their previous orders through the Samsung store, I’m sure this will get updated more over the course of the next week, but it, it wasn’t just the, oops that Samsung originally led everyone to believe. It’s funny, I was a, there was a video of Gary V talking about how Samsung, if it wasn’t for the note catching on fire, they would like completely dominate the market. They would have owned it unequivocally. And he goes, I don’t know why they just don’t come out and innovate and make the world’s greatest phone right now and call it the Samsung fire and just own it. Just like your name, Skippy, own it. Put it to bed and just come out with the greatest phone ever and call it go. I would buy it. Yeah. As long as that FYR Edo cause that’s stupid.

Speaker 2:

Right. And then people would say, can people stop saying that’s so fire. By the way, I didn’t realize that was a thing until that festival documentary. Instead of saying like, that’s awesome. And some people say that’s dope. That long predates that festival does it really needs it needs to stop. Mix tape is fire that needs to do that forever. Oh my God. By the way, I’m totally non-related. Um, my desk at work, I have like one of those 120 slim Jim dispensers. So when you like you come by are like the, we get a lot of walk-ups at work and like people, Will’s got the root beer barrels the candy, like, so we were like a little little party store going on. I got the slim Jim’s and people walk by like, Hey, what’s up? And they grab a slim Jim kind of what, you know, just whatever preaching.

Speaker 2:

One of the guys that works with me brings over the Savage slim Jim. And he goes, dude, this cost five bucks. I go, let me see this thing. It’s, you know, the deli slim Jim’s that are like triple the slim Jim straw? No, no, it’s, no, it’s bigger. I’m really, so you know the deli ones that are like three times the size of normal, the long slung gyms, this is three times the size of those. And it’s a $5 slim gym and it’s got macho man on it and it’s a F it’s got three servings. So I go, let me see the damn, uh, this is the thing that nutrition on the side serving eight pounds of salt. Surfing’s three. No, you’ve got, um, we did the math. It was 71, 70% of your daily sodium if you ate the whole thing. So we were like egging the mind to eat the whole thing.

Speaker 2:

And it was the day before punchy day two. So of course, like we, you know, we smashed like three dozen punch. Good. I’m like, I can’t believe like who’s sitting? And then I go, when I started, they never heard my whole dissertation on boardroom stuff. Like who’s sitting around going, you know, I really big slim Jim. We have, let’s make one three times bigger and see if people buy it. Yeah, well sure. As shit. People are buying some gyms. Savage, slim Jims, Savage something, another website. It’s not, no, it’s got like macho man on the wrapper. I have a picture of it. It’s [inaudible]. It looks like. I like it. Those mini baseball bats they give out at Comerica park. Here we go. That’s crazy. Go ConAgra. Uh, so I’m, I, I guess, uh, you know, Kelly had virtually was the only person who died. Uh, you’ve got, uh, Larry Tesler a name that most people do not know.

Speaker 2:

Uh, but they know what he did. He’s the guy that invented the Tesla and paste. Oh yeah, he did read about that. So he invented, you know, control C, control V uh, you know, control and more important than that is then the cut and the copy is the invention of the clipboard, like imaginary place where data goes and you can retrieve it. Dude, I remember pre PCs when we had the typewriters and I had the three lines of digital and you could cut basically in paste and like, Oh my God, we can’t afford it for a day. And the whole selling point was we can move paragraphs. I’m like, when did I ever write a paper where I moved one paragraph above or below another one, like cut copy basis. Like we use it for a thousand different things. But that was what they sold it to be.

Speaker 2:

Oh, you could move Y like sentences. Like when did I ever move a sentences? Everything was all word processing. Bob. That’s, that’s all it was for. Yeah, exactly. No word. Perfect. It’s amazing. You’re steno pool will love it. One of the things, Oh my God, one of the, one of the articles that I usually, I’m a, I’m a fan of some stuff and some stuff I’m not, and this one was a kind of interesting, like, so the employees of Kickstarter, um, voted to unionize and they’re calling it a big step in tech. And I’m, I’m reading further and I’m like, okay, I’m in. Well apparently, um, 46 voted in favor, 37 opposed so there’s only like a hundred and whatever. We’ll do the math, whatever. That’s like 80, 90 employees and they’re like overjoyed by it. And somebody like wrote on LinkedIn, they’re like, wait, let me get this straight.

Speaker 2:

Like, you’re going to fight for higher weight is like, you’re already, you’re in tech, you’re, you’re, you’re, you’re in Silicon Valley. You’re probably higher paid than anyone ever and you’ve probably got options coming out the wazoo. What are your free lunch options aren’t good enough. Like what are you getting? You’re not getting mistreated. You’re not working out. Like what, what exactly are you doing it just business date. Like workers’ safety. You’re in tech, like, so y’all just deal with carpal tunnel syndrome, right? Like, okay, I get it. Like, where’s the, like I usually, I understand it if it’s like, okay, we’ve been mistreated, we banned or paid, but if you’re, you know, especially Silicon Valley tech, we’ve had this conversation now bajillion times, every time, you know, that they’ve talked about, uh, you know, it workers unionizing and that kind of stuff. And, and I, I don’t, especially with the, with the way the market is right now, um, like I, I understood it, you know, back when things were horrible in the it industry and, you know, and people were, you know, getting, you know, burned down to the nub, you know, they were, you know, they want, you know, they were trying to get, you know, systems architects with, you know, 20 years of experience to take a BA job.

Speaker 2:

You know, cause it’s all they could find and that right before a big outsourcer. And so like, I, you know, I, I got it. But like now, dude, like if you’re not happy, go down the street. It’s no joke. Every, you know, you put out a, like I asked the guys on my team and we talked all the time, how many resumes, how many recruiters hit you a week? They’re like, Oh my God, I just pulled my stuff off LinkedIn. I can’t like, what am I supposed to say? I need to be polite. Yeah, like here you got like, yeah, they kickstarted, they’re probably all making minimum buck and a half easy for like just, it’s not that, you know the work camp is what? It’s UI coding. I don’t even think like what way it goes. It’s just, it’s running servers. Right. And then 5% they’re all in the cloud.

Speaker 2:

They’re not doing a lot of server monitor stuff and taking 5% that’s, that’s the Kickstarter business. Go fund yourself are that’s all part? Yes. We have a thing where if your couch has been a thing, they’re like, so we can play tell people to go off your couch. So we’re making FYC we made a logo and it’s going to be for your consideration. So when we play politely say like we know we can’t for your consideration, here’s why in insight it’s going. So I just gave away the beans, didn’t I? Absolutely. If your college dude, this is weird and I guess this is one of those things that like, you don’t even think about like when, when shit gets put together, um, I guess ACEs graphics cards were like significantly overheating because they weren’t screwed down tightly enough. What?

Speaker 2:

Yeah. You know, the metal wasn’t making enough contact with the, to display the heat. I don’t like ACEs. Stephanie was one letter away from anus. Every time I see it, that’s all I like to see. Ane that’s why I like a company. I want her and I’m like, don’t be one letter away from any swear word or body part. We’re like, no, this screwed. Like, so it’s coming. Obviously they’re coming out of China. It’s coming out like th these things are all cheaply made, but like just loose screws, like ridiculous. It’s an imperfect world. Screws fall out all the time. Now that’s um, if you ever did business in Brazil, we had to ship servers basically without screwed together. Yeah. And basically, so you’d have to pay their VAT, you’d get, there’d be assembly plants and you would screw everything like one, two, three, four, and then save 30%.

Speaker 2:

But you employed people down in Brazil. I’m wondering if that’s got anything to do with that or like where they came from that does it so bizarre to me that that’s awesome. Yeah. Weird. But don’t try and tighten your screws yourself. They’ll do it under warranty. Will they? Oh. Oh, they said don’t touch it. Don’t try to tighten it. Don’t touch it. Thank you. By the way, Jif peanut butter that finally came out of the woodworks and said, we’re Jeff. They’re GIF hard. J J I disagree. The creator of the trolling graphics is hard to choose. The P in JPEG, JPEG, photo graphic J fag graphics. No, you’re J graphics. You’re a giraffe. Exact jury. No. You ever go scuba diving? Yes. Every day.

Speaker 2:

Nobody. What he did George, a good thing to get the peanut butter industry involved in computer, uh, acronyms. I just, I wonder how many people are going to go out and buy jars of peanut butter because that’s their whole thing is they want to, they’re releasing a limited, a limited run of ones with the different labels. Right. And it’s going to be at every UI, UX, like it software is going to have one on their desk. Yeah. Include it. Yeah. Smart. Kind of brilliant. Actually. It’s good for them. Um, I wonder if, Oh my God, I wonder if this had to, this is a thing. So we’re working, I was working on a cert ticket where mobile wasn’t, everything was working for the Apple. Certainly everything. Yeah. Everything was working except for Safari browser. So this came out, there’s a, this actually hasn’t kicked in yet.

Speaker 2:

It doesn’t, this, this won’t take effect until September of this year. That’s what I was wanting. A visitor said, Oh my God. But it will take, it does take an effect in September. And I do, I understand what they’re doing. Like I, I mean, I remember, you know, search could never be more than 12 months for the, for the longest time. Um, and, but you know, you’ve got a lot of ’em, uh, whether they’re self signed or super certs that are extended out, uh, you know, in some cases, two and three years. Uh, and what Apple said is, Hey, look, uh, we are not going to allow or accept, um, authentication from any certificate that’s greater than 13 months old. Wow. And I get it. And, and I like it because it does, I mean, dude, a lot change, especially in the tech industry, a lot changes in 13 months.

Speaker 2:

Plus nobody respects the, uh, implementation of revoking certificates. Right. You could theoretically having a two year old certificate floating around doing harm for two years. Absolutely. I honestly wonder if this was it though, because literally there was, we were having certain issues and it was people going, it shouldn’t, like I said, people weren’t going crazy trying to figure this thing out. Like I said, it shouldn’t because this isn’t supposed to take effect until September. Oh. So it should be an issue yet. I hope not. So a little close to home, you’ve got a OCC, uh, that has not only got facial recognition, facial recognition technology running on their campus, uh, but they have banned students from even talking about the fact that there is facial recognition technology running on the campus. Dude, this goes back, I, you know, some people are fans and some people aren’t, uh, uh, you know, Jordan Peterson, he’s a professor up in Canada and he’s very pointed on certain, on language being dictated to you by government.

Speaker 2:

And this is another one, but you can’t even talk about it. Like, or what, or what, what are you going to do from a community college? I guess from the standpoint of they couldn’t talk about it from the standpoint of they couldn’t, uh, they were trying to organize meetings, uh, and they wanted to, you know, have these groups and associations past like nine non-binding, um, you know, uh, recommendations, all that kind of stuff about it. They’re blocking, they’re blocking. The students were organizing to prevent the technology from being adopted. So they’re blocking students from even meeting. Yeah, let alone talking about it. Not, not a fan. [inaudible]. Yeah, no, I even looked, I got a, I got a kid coming up for college. I’m like, what’s college costs these days? You know, it’s been a long time. Uh, there’s still like 90 bucks a credit. Yeah. If that, you know something like, Oh, you know, you’re going to OCC for two years, kid, just like yogurt. What? You want to get a bar? Yeah. Yeah. Just like the old man did. [inaudible] none of this $80,000 debt. Oh shit. Hell no. Well, but I mean, you know, by the time she gets it, you know, Bernie Sanders will want it. It’ll all be free. So stop talking. Stop talking. What’s the deal with ’em? What did Google do to Chrome now? Because like, you’re not going to get anyone to go back to Firefox. Nobody’s going to get your internet for whatever the hell they call it these days.

Speaker 3:

It’s pretty good. It’s actually built on Chrome, chromium moments or Frederick Chrome is built on and built a new version of edge off of it. So they share the same underlying, but, uh, they built in the ability to deep link into a page directly, directly to a word on the page. What does that mean? So, uh, if you’re going through search results or something like that, Google can actually direct you directly to a specific word on a page instead of a built in HTML header or something like that.

Speaker 2:

Well, and not only that, but so the, the one thing, uh, that was kind of that they said that people were kind of getting up in arms about was the, uh, what is it, the on mouse event, uh, that they were enabling within the browser. That was just basically just further enabling a lack of privacy when you’re using that browser and how much and how much of that data is getting sent back to Google and where it’s getting sent back from. Uh, where it, it or excuse me, where it’s getting sent back to. Um, but I mean they, they’ve already kind of backed down off of it and I think they, I think they already released a patch to the patch that initiated that. If I recall correctly. If anybody’s thinking they’re getting privacy from Google, uh, go to activity.google.com and you can call me, you can call me tomorrow while I’m, we’re to the point, remember the good old days when you know the home page of Google said, you know, don’t be evil.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that’s, that’s been gone for a long time. That’s been gone for a long time. Speaking of evil, we’re going to be back in a quick moment with a nother Jason Bressler and the CTO and Matt Turner, one of the head recruiters from United shore talking about a cool job fair and how, what it’s like to grow one of the biggest companies in Michigan. This is the it that he show. He’ll be right back with the capital one venture card. You weren’t an unlimited double miles on every purchase every day. And you can use those miles towards travel expenses like flights, hotels, rental cars, and more. Just book and pay for your travel, using your venture card and redeem your miles towards the cost. Capital one. What’s in your wallet? Credit approval required. Capital one, bank USA and a.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 4:

Great, Bob. How are you?

Speaker 1:

Good, good. And to your left, mr a, is it executive tent? What’s your title these days? Do you have a different title? Like every three weeks? Recruiter? We have one of the, one of the top lead recruiters. He’s a one from United shores. All mr Matt Turner. How are you guys doing? I’m doing great and have never been better in all my life. One of the, uh, I guess we’ll, we’ll jump right into it. Um, this, this United Shore’s been on a tear lately on the news. We’ve been, they’ve been talking about, uh, number two in the entire mortgage industry above Wells Fargo, bank of America. Did. Jason, you’ve been around for a while. How did you even foresee that this was even possible coming out of a little shop? Detroit just moved to Pontiac and, you know, uh, it’s been kind of a wild ride. I mean,

Speaker 4:

first of all, yes, for sure. We saw that it was possible. And that was kinda the goal all along. And this isn’t our goal right now is to be number two. I’d go, our goal is to be number one. Sure, we’ll get there for sure. But yeah, I mean we’ve really, I’ve been here for about four years now and we’ve really done everything possible to get to this point. And the growth has been exponential and fantastic to see and really we support it and we do the best that we can. But you know, I mean we were again blessed with such a great CEO who’s so business-minded and does what’s right by people. And that’s really what’s kind of fueled our growth for sure.

Speaker 1:

No doubt. And that’s the one thing that, I mean, what are you up to now as an it department? We, you were at 700 I think. Did I hear 800 recently?

Speaker 4:

I think we’re, I think we’re just about 800 somewhere around there. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1:

And then, I mean, here’s the thing, you know, I, I’m sitting in meetings and there’s people saying I need a dozen people. You like, go get them. I need seven people. Go get them. Well you need to find a town. So there’s a, you know, the kind of the reasons why you guys are here is on March 4th, uh, United shore is having an it career fair. Yup. Um, I guess talk to me Matt. Um, what is I guess w here’s the thing and here’s the thing, I’m just going to point that out. Like a lot of people hate is like the cattle call environment on some of these it fairs. I guess. Talk to me about a, what you’re trying to accomplish. And B, talk to me about why this one’s going to be different. Yeah. So

Speaker 5:

this one, so 100% it focused. We’ve got leaders from all departments of it. So if you’ve got representatives, re-upping app dev from the engineering team, uh, support teams, and we’ve got over 700 people registered already for the events, and essentially they’re going to have the opportunity to see these leaders one-on-one, talk to them, talk to them a little bit about their experience, and possibly go into a second more intimate interview. And maybe even get offer.

Speaker 1:

Well that’s what, that’s the one thing where I was like, I heard that they’re like, they’re going to, you know, Hey, interviews are going to be in the, in the cafe and there, there might be offers to put on the table. Yeah.

Speaker 5:

Well conference rooms for deeper dive.

Speaker 1:

Right, right. I guess that’s new to me and I, I’ve never even seen their, Andy, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen that at job fairs. I was always, you know, thanks for your info. We’ll here’s a, here’s a postcard. Right? Yeah. Walk me through how that’s even possible.

Speaker 5:

I mean, last year we ran two career fairs and I think from each one we hired about 200 people in each one, but we hired some folks from it who are, you know, drove up from Findlay, Ohio and we ended up taking him aside with, uh, Mark Wallace and a couple of the other guys and, and app dev and interviewing the guy and taking them out. And he was a, you know, great developer and we ended up moving forward and to make me an offer the next day.

Speaker 1:

No kidding. Um, yeah, no, I guess walk me through who are you hiring? Cause I mean, here’s the thing, like we talked to architecture and all of a sudden you need seven people and uh, you know, uh, work with, uh, the cloud team. And I know you need probably four or five cloud engineers. I guess walk me through some, or what’s your biggest needs? What are the biggest hits? Is it everywhere? Is it dev? Is it, is it DevOps? Is that architecture? Is that everything?

Speaker 5:

Uh, I pulled the numbers before I got here and we have 299 approved opening. Is that it right now? 299, I’d say 90% of that we’re looking for experienced hires. So we’re looking for people who have a couple of years of experience professionally in creating applications or doing QA automation testing or dev ops working with tools like puppet and um, uh, Docker Coopernetti’s, um, red cloud architects. So it just, pretty much everything is, is open there. This guy just keeps shoving new openings down my throat. So

Speaker 1:

my job. Yeah, exactly. I mean, one of the things that, you know, we just brought, I just brought a new guy on my team and one of the things I talked to him was, you know, it’s funny, we just interviewed a guy at Ford and we asked him what he’s been doing the last four years and he said folder permissions. Yeah. And we talked to him. I go, you’re in a sincerely unique environment where like if you say tomorrow I want to work on Kubernetes around, I want to do the container stuff, containerization and we will let you, you know, if you want to go learn how to do ADFS, we’ll Google go. Like, this isn’t like there’s nothing really limited in you, I guess. You know what, talk to me about, you know, I guess managing that, like, you know, it’s, it’s a unique environment. It’s gotta be structured. By the same token, it’s loose enough where, uh, we can give to two, two employees.

Speaker 4:

Well, I mean, and yes we can, but the thing is from a, from an experienced team member perspective, it’s, you know, like when you were seven years old and your dad took you to, your mom took you to Cedar point, like the water park for the first time and you’re like, Oh my God, this is the greatest thing I’ve ever seen. I run around and I can do anything that I want and it’s a nice hot sunny day. And that’s like working at United shore. That really is the best way to put it from a technology standpoint. And you know, really, I’m just trying to get you in a bathing suit by buttocks waterpark. Exactly. But it’s like we had a UHF, it’s like working at a fish market, except you don’t have to clean and gut fish all day. Yeah, I mean, you really get, from a standpoint, from a, from a sandbox standpoint, whatever you want to do.

Speaker 4:

And you know, if you have interest in something, and I know we talk about this all the time, but if you have an interest and a desire and you’re going to hold yourself accountable and be held accountable by other people, then we’ll actually put you where you want to go and what your interests are. As long as you’re, you’re, you’re a good, good fit, you’re all in for UWM, you’re all in for it, you’re all in for the team. If that happens we’ll let kind of let your run where you want to run cause we want to keep you here for the rest of your life. And so you know, we want to make sure that you’ve really, everybody feels fulfilled. Sure. And you, I guess you just had a big switch where you don’t have the team leads managing just BAS, right? You did it like a cross environment thing.

Speaker 4:

How did, I guess walk me through the process on saying like did you, is this feedback you’re getting and you’re just transforming on the fly because you know it’s kind of a big step. So it was a big step. And this is this from an application development standpoint. And so about four years ago when I came here, we were what I’d call cross functional teams. So it’s one leader kind of leading a team of developers and BAS and QA and scrum masters. And you know, from, from that standpoint and as we got here, we had so many good people that we really succeeded almost in spite of ourselves. And I mean that in the best way possible. It was, we were moving so fast, even four years ago, we needed to take a step back if we were really going to scale and say, Hey, for us to take our team and our technology team and UWM to the next level, we’ve got to take a step back and actually focus on the disciplines.

Speaker 4:

And so we went to a matrix model and so we had developer leads and BA leads and QA leads and PO leads. And we kind of like set a true structure and a new SDLC and a new framework of what we were going to do. And as we continue to progress and grow. And we got new leaders in, we got a lot of experience. The time was right for us to go back to cross functional teams with the right leaders kind of leading those teams. And so now we’re really focused on incremental delivery and you know, really delivering as fast as we possibly can, our end product. Um, and then giving all the control. And this is, you know, from the dev ops standpoint, giving all the control back to the teams and letting them kinda run in their own environment with their own SDLC and their own gate checks and making sure that they’re responsible for their own work. And that’s really what I think every application development team wants. And so that’s, I, that’s another good point you bring up like moving fast. Like I don’t think people realize how, when you say moving fast, how fast that is. Like you were, I think the last time you were on, you talked about the CIO symposium, you spoke out where like people are

Speaker 1:

talking about dev cycles at nine months and you kind of laughed and yeah. But I mean, when you talk about moving fast, I guess walk me through what’s, what’s your expectations?

Speaker 4:

It’s a little hard, but my, I mean I would say my expectations are, we should, so if we have sprints that are two weeks and you know, I mean we should be planning properly and we should be deploying and we should, you know, be accountable for what we do during that timeframe. But when I say move fast, I mean I want to, we were in a very unique situation where we only have one client and that client is the business, the business of UWM. And so we make sure that we do everything on a dime and when the business says we want to change this and we want to do it now, it’s why we write all of our own software. It’s why we try to stay completely vendor agnostic. And if we could not use vendors at any point from a technology standpoint is because we don’t want to be bound to anything that we do. So when I say move fast, it’s, Hey Bob, if I need to make a change today, then within 24 hours I’d like that written. I’d like a user story out. I want it developed, I want to test it and then I want to make sure that it goes through through all the gate checks and then it gets deployed into, in new production that quickly. Sure.

Speaker 1:

Um, and I think that’s one of the things we’re not, when I, when I see the things I see everyday is like the growing pains of being in an organization that we didn’t plan on being a huge enterprise. I’ll just go kind of shifting it to, to enterprise technology. You know, you weren’t on the radar for the Cisco’s and the peers and the Microsoft, right. Like a year and a half year, year and a half ago. And now you are, you know, they want to fly you out to San Jose to go to the vet. You know, the management meetings. They want you to, you know, you’re an enterprise client, they want you to have weekly meetings. And you know, I guess is, is that a, is that a good thing or did you like flying under the radar?

Speaker 4:

Uh, I love flying under the radar. I think that’s the best way to do it. Um, um, at the end of the day, I hate attention and I would like to stay as humble as we possibly can. And I mean that from even an enterprise technology standpoint. And the only way that you can really move very quickly is to make sure that nobody really cares what you do until they expect you to do the best all the time. And that’s really where we are right now. And so from an enterprise technology standpoint, we’ve really, you know, and, and, and again, you’re, you’re a Testament to this is once you find the right people and you can drive and motivate and cultivate the right environment and you work in a, in an environment where we basically say, if it makes sense, go do it. Yeah. So get out right now by what you need to do, get the licensing and try it. And if it works, let’s continue to build off of it. And if it doesn’t, just learn from it really quickly and then tell us what’s next.

Speaker 1:

I’ve never seen it in my life like that. Like you need to go pee. Oh, you need to go get that. Go ahead, go get it. It’s to me it’s like not insane, but it’s go, you need a tool, you need to go get it. You know, you can’t hit good out of the sand, go buy yourself a decent sandwich. Like, you know. Um, but yeah, the just seeing the, the what the, I wouldn’t even call it a trial and error. It’s, it’s go get what you need to get. Um, how do you, how do you want to, you know, the business is uptime for us. Sure. Um, you know, we need our customers

Speaker 4:

on all that. Cause that’s the one, the one thing that was eyeopening to me is, you know, Hey, we’re 30, 32 35% of the market for wholesale mortgages. When we go down, the market goes down, industry goes down the industry. Right. And it’s like living with that on your shoulders. I mean, you know, the, the stupid cliche is, Hey Jason, what keeps you up at night? Yeah, exactly. But that’s got a way on you. I mean, have you as the head that wears the crown. And that’s the thing is, you know, like we’re supporting so many brokers, tens of thousands of brokers across the country where we do all of this and we give it to them because we really think that they’re a better option for consumers. Like we are legitimately trying to do the right thing. And so when you do that, and it’s a being a product of your own success, when you get so successful at delivering quality software and quality technology to people that could never afford it or didn’t even know what it was, when, when, when you go down there, whole world’s over, they have no idea what to do.

Speaker 4:

And so we have to always be up all the time and always be 10 steps ahead of the game to make sure that we’re on top of that. And that’s one of the things, from an enterprise technology standpoint, it’s really easy to get seduced by the newest thing or what’s next or somebody chirping in your ear of, Hey, you should try this. Well that’s a th that’s why flying under the radar is such a better thing because when you got a clear roadmap and you’ve got a clear vision and you stick to it, then those ancillary things just kind of pop in and out as it happens instead of everybody just chasing whatever the next big thing. So, you know, we don’t chase whatever the next big thing is. We are the next big thing. And so we kind of dictate what we want to do and then we let people kind of fit into that model.

Speaker 4:

So what’s a, so here’s the big thing is the AME conferences see what is association of independent mortgage brokers or whatever last a year that were a few months ago. Actually, I think it was like a, but it was brand three 60 was kind of like an automated marketing engine for, for brokers, right? Um, this year, the big plans for, I know we can’t talk about it, but [inaudible] are you excited about what’s coming out? Absolutely. I mean, it’s going to be huge for the industry. It’s going to be absolutely massive for our broker partners and we’re really excited. We’ve been working on it for awhile and we’re really excited to release it at aim for sure. Yeah. No, I, I mean Tiffany had said, I mean, uh, you know, the, the one thing I wanted to talk about, I think it’s funny now that I’m a on the other end of the stick on LinkedIn and it’s amazing to me how bad salespeople are and I’m getting these messages.

Speaker 4:

It’s like looking at yourself in the mirror. I’ve, I’ve, I, I was never that bad. Like that’s true. I did get asked, can you introduce me to Jason Bressler was, and you are connected to him on LinkedIn. I’m like, yeah, but it’s, it’s, I wish there would be a class to like, you know, I would like to talk to you how to, how we could have helped other companies such as United shore with their automation needs. It’s like, do you ever see a, there’s a thing called deck.com the bullshit generator now and uh, it was like from the dotcom days, but it still exists and it was like every press release written in like 2002 to 2004 hit this button and it was like synergize E platform. Uh, you know, and it was the, one of the funniest things. This is the crap that I get

Speaker 1:

to me. Like I can’t believe every four day, I can’t imagine what you have to go, how many voicemails you have to delete every day.

Speaker 4:

I don’t even get through the voicemails and even the LinkedIn messages are basically for the most part, if they’re like that they’re deleted. I do occasionally, and I almost hate to say, cause we’ll see what happens from it. But I did get, somebody sent me an iPad with a full customized message, which it was fantastic of me, my history, full blown iPad, full blown iPad with, and it just said press play. And I press play. And it was this, it was a sales woman and she went on, she knew everything about me, everything about my history, everything about UWM, how we grew, what we did. And basically was like, Hey, we just want to help. So all I’m asking you to do is just call back and just let us talk to you. And at that point, how do you not, right? Like how do you not, when somebody takes that kind of care and time to do something that’s not like the RC car and you’re like, call me and I’ll give you the remote. Yeah, I remember those days. That was fun. When I got my first one in that there was such a mistake to call back. Do you ever get a pair of shoes? I never got a pair of shoes. I just want to get my foot in the door.

Speaker 1:

Ah, so Matt just, uh, uh, I guess, you know, we talked a little bit about, um, the, you know, the hiring spree and needing to hire, I want to talk to you about how you’ve hired, we went and we went through some numbers on all the people that talent is brought through. Like hiring three, you know, there’s goals down here, 3000 people at your, how many did you hire in 2019? The team,

Speaker 5:

the team, uh, 3000, 27.

Speaker 1:

So how, how so I see you all walking around giving you, so you don’t just, this isn’t just a cheap interview. You, you’re doing tours, you’re meeting, you know, the leads. How do you hire and you don’t have that huge of a team. It’s a decent size team. But like how do you go about hiring that many people?

Speaker 4:

Wow. That’s a question. Open ended, you know. Exactly.

Speaker 5:

Um, so you know, as you mentioned, the team size, so everyone, including the associate recruiters who are supporting the recruiters and the leaders, all of us total out to about 40 people, which were added throughout last year. So you’ve got to be really creative with how you move forward through these processes. And I think we have a really solid leadership team from uh, the talent leadership. So they came up with a couple ideas like doing, interviewing blitzes, uh, the late afternoon hours for some of these positions like underwriting and closing, uh, where we’re willing to train people and we’re looking for them to have a certain level of excellent expectations for their education. But they’ll bring them in and we’ll take them through, we’ll give them a full tour of the building, go through all the benefits with them, take them through a screen, make sure they’re a fit for that.

Speaker 5:

And in terms of it, we did the two career fairs last year, which we netted a few people but you know, specifically to it. So a lot of grinding. So company-wide we have about, I wish I had the number off the top of my head, but it’s right around between 55 and 60% of our hires under being referrals. So the referral process is huge for us. And that’s something we’ve tried to increase incentives, increase our incentives in this year with the new referral program where if you refer somebody and then they refer somebody, it kind of trickles back up to you. So that’s, that’s a big, big area for us. And the only way you get referrals is if people enjoy working for your competition. So it says a lot about United shore as a whole, being that over half the people we hire end up being referred in by people who work there.

Speaker 1:

And that’s the biggest challenge I see in, in it recruitment. And I don’t know how you guys filter it out, but we see like, you know, they have all the certs, they check all the boxes, they, they’ve done the, they, they list off everything that they’re looking for. Then you get them in a room and ask them a question and they’re like, well no, I didn’t really work on that. Or like you have it written down right here. It’s on your skill. You know, I guess obviously it’s frustrating, but how do you filter through that?

Speaker 5:

Yeah. So we, I think we have some really good efficient processes set up at this point. Obviously we’re always trying to improve them, make them better and make them easy as possible and the candidate. So I’ll give you an example. Um, from the app dev side, when we’re interviewing experienced and that candidates were, I’m going to talk to them, find out what they’re looking for, um, why they’re looking to leave a job, the basic recruiting questions, and then we’re gonna dive into some high level object oriented questions. And I’m going to kind of figure out, you know, what does this person using on a day to day basis? I don’t want to grill them super hard, but they’re, if their salary expectations are at a certain level and they’re not able to answer some pretty basic questions, you kinda get the sense from there. And so, um, one thing we’ve done to make it easier on the candidate, once we go through that data and gather that we actually use an online code assessment tool, which has, uh, for this, for their net positions, there’s an hour time limit on it.

Speaker 5:

So basically two questions. So write out your code and C sharp, we want to be able to review it and we’re not really as concerned about you getting, you know, all 20 test cases right on it. But we want to understand how you solve the problem and why you want through it that way even if you didn’t get all of them. Um, and then we’d bring you in for a face to face interview. That’d be about an hour and a half of your time. So really on the candidate side, it’s an hour and a half of their time. We get all that screening before they go to the leadership team. So I’ve got a code assessment, I’ve got my high level, uh, object oriented questions, I know their salary info and everything else and we can determine before investing too much time to that person. Is this the right fit?

Speaker 1:

Yeah. It’s funny, I just got brought into a, the Bax interviews in the BA. If you don’t know what that is, the BA, it’s kind of like an entry level to be a move into a business analyst role. And it’s funny to me like half the people like, here’s a math problem. I want you to figure this out. Don’t have a pen or paper. Um, here’s a, I want you to put together, I want to see how you, you know, and then you know, halfway through, Oh my God, I’m so frustrated. Like, you know, just internalize that. You know what I mean? It’s just funny to me. Not funny, but it’s just like, it’s one on one stuff and you know, I mean I will respond

Speaker 3:

pressure differently though. So, you know, some people aren’t good test takers, they’re not going to do well under pressure for like, Hey, write these 20 test cases in an hour. Is it because they don’t test well they don’t get the job or is it, you know, something you take into consideration like, you know, personality wise, like, uh, you know, you leaving them in a room with an assignment, they’re good. You say, Hey, you’ve got an hour to finish this and all of a sudden, you know, they’re shut down because they’re worried about the pressure.

Speaker 5:

Well with the, with the, with the coding test that’s done on their own time and at their own leisure when they can be in a position where they can do it themselves. And honestly on a scale of a 100, I want to see at least like 15 out of a hundred. I need to see you are capable of solving a problem and C sharp. Um, if you’re getting a zero and you can’t solve one of two questions or get a single test case, right, we’re probably not going to be looking at you for the position.

Speaker 3:

Do you consider a previous work like their GitHub repositories and things like that or does that not matter?

Speaker 5:

I would, but I again, the XP, I would send the data over to the team, but my expectations would be somebody can sit down at a dev environment that’s set up for them that they should be familiar with and be able to at least get a few test cases. Right. And solving a basic C sharp question.

Speaker 1:

So setting you up for setting up for this uh, March 4th job. Fair it. Career fair. Uh, register online. Where do they go? Event bright event bright. So just Google United shore it career fair. March 4th. Yeah, it’ll come up. I actually did that.

Speaker 5:

The link to somebody earlier today. So if you could go the lit, you go United shore it career fair. It should come up in the first five results.

Speaker 1:

So do you want people to dress like tee shirt and sport coat and jeans like Bressler or do you want people like a ear or do you want a suit and tie? Suit and tie? I guess what’s a, is there something preferred? Tell people be casual, be comfortable. It’s it. So I mean, I mean

Speaker 5:

look at this guy over here. He’s got a V neck tee shirt on and jeans and he goes to work.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I have, I have a buy one. I had to buy one for crying out loud.

Speaker 4:

Exactly. I mean to be honest, we, I like, we want people that grind. We want people that work hard, that you know, whether you’re experienced or you’ve got, whether you’ve got a lot of experience or just a little bit, we want people that are in want to work hard, want to make a difference in people’s lives. And I mean, I know it sounds a little cliche and a lot of people say that, but I mean I think you guys know that’s what we do and that really is what we care about. And so that’s what we want. I don’t care if you come in, uh, in, uh, in a tank. I mean, I guess I do care if you come in a tank top go. Yeah. But you know, cause it’s the wintertime. It’s March. That’d be a little bit silly. But you know, like outside of that, it’s, you know, we’re growing so fast, it is a chaotic environment.

Speaker 4:

And so even to the earlier question, it’s the, the, the fact is sometimes, even if you like it, if you don’t perform well under pressure, this probably at some point we’ll get a little difficult for you. Right? Like you gotta at some point be able to take the, we got to go and we got to go now and it won’t, it’s not like that all the time. I mean, you guys know, but it is like you got to go on. If you’re a deer in a headlight, it’s going to catch up with you at some point. But if you’re not, if you’re, if, if, if you’re decent and chaos and you want to grind and you want to advance and all those things are really important to you, this really is the place for you.

Speaker 1:

Well, that’s my, my, uh, my philosophy and my team is like super friends and we’ve talked about this many times. Like I have some very loud type a personality engineers. I had some very quiet, uh, engineers that are just as smart and talented. They just go about their business a completely different way and neither one of them are wrong. Um, it’s just a matter of how you, you know, how do you put them in a Roman? How do you have them, you know, what’s their output? Right? Um, and that’s kind of the same way I’m looking at it like it’s, um, when I’m meeting people, it’s not like, well, you know, I want to see what, you know, what you, what will fit like in, in, in the, in the, um, not the Legion of doom. That’s the bad guy’s place, the hall of justice. And uh, you know what I mean? Like there’s, there’s so many different personalities and I w you know, I think they’re all, to me they’re all right answers as long as they’re output and as long as they got a yes attitude. That’s my biggest thing is I always compliment people on every, Hey, every time I ask you to do something mundane, you don’t eye roll or go, God, you, you, you just knew you had no problem. I got it.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah. You got to have a yes mentality, but you really do, you got like, you’ve got to want to believe in the mission of what we do. And really it’s not, it’s not like we’re not a technology company. We’re not a mortgage company. We’re a company that’s in the business of making people’s lives better and easier and we legitimately believe in that. And so if at your core that that’s kind of what you are and you’re a hard worker and you’d like to grind this, it’s all gonna work out. It doesn’t really matter what your personality is. Especially in it. I mean we were talking earlier like you get a lot of weird, you get some great people, you get a lot of weird people. Great. We like, I want it all weird people are some of the best ones. I mean you are

Speaker 1:

strange dude. Bob I for no idea. You have no idea. I do

Speaker 4:

a little bit. Yeah. Back to the logistics of the event. I like that you’ve done it 6:00 PM. So it’s also had a business owner, so people who have a day job can attend it. Uh, is this a bring your bring printed copies of your resumes type event or is, I mean they’re going to have a ton of it leaders there so I will absolutely. So I kind of wanted to get back to something Bob was talking about, about people being unprepared for interviews. Just a cat, a touch point on that because I wanted to comment. Every person I enter email to interview at United shore, I literally list five suggestions at the bottom of the email and I can’t tell you in terms of percentage of people who follow that like 2%, uh, I would say what is, what are the things bring questions for the team. Bring the whole pad. Okay. You can actually show that you’re interested in the opportunity. Uh, you know, dress professional, uh, show up on time, like just

Speaker 5:

Bay, you really your basic sure. Everything. But I think the biggest one that’s always striking to me is how anyone could show up to a job interview and not come with questions written down. What do you want to know? Like, you should, if you really want to work somewhere, you should be interviewing the team too. It should be 50, 50. And to decide if that’s really the place you want to work. So how you could ever walk into an interview without having questions is just blows my mind.

Speaker 4:

I mean, I think sometimes, you know, especially if you come in and you’re inexperienced, you might not know what to ask and it can be a little bit intimidating. But yeah, I totally agree. If you’re not prepared for what you’re going to come into it, so it’s,

Speaker 2:

that’s definitely not good. Well, even you look at all the press that UWM and United Shore’s gotten is, it’s, it’s, you know, the question should be a bound, like how would it, you know, like, talk to me about the bridge going across South Boulevard, you know what I mean? That’s all the questions we’re going to get to. [inaudible] so talk to me about this bridge. It’s going to be one with fiber optics. No, no, it was trench underneath. I found that out because I don’t want to ask that meeting. Like, are we gonna run fiber through bridge? I’m like, no, underneath this, that whole fiber gets run. Um, yeah, but you guys totally throw me off. So I mean, so what should you, so here’s the thing. So we talked about not being a chemical, what should they expect? Cause we were talking about there is if you’re going to be a VR thing set up for people, just a ping pong. So I mean there’s going to be no, like what are they expect you to come and check in and get your name badge, um, find out what your area of want is and then kind of

Speaker 5:

set up in our huge auditorium. So there’s going to be set up, split into different sections of areas of the business or there’s focus, right? And each one of those sections is going to have leaders from each one of those teams. There’ll be doing a sort of, uh, interviews and the cafeteria and then possibly second interviews out in conference rooms with leaders of everything. Everything’s going well. So, uh, it’s just honestly, it’s, even if you aren’t looking for a job, it’s a great way for you to come in, talk to some leaders in the industry and who knows, maybe you will want to work.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I mean we’re all going to be there. So like I’m going to be there all night. Like almost my entire leadership team. So we’ve got, you know, 85 leaders inside of it. Are you going to be there? Yeah. All right, good. So Bob will be there. So you mentioned share though, obviously, but like we’ll all be there, like we’re all going to answer questions on not just what it is to work here, but like actually tell you what we’re looking for, what we want, and on the spot, Hey, if this makes sense, either coming to the cafeteria, let’s continue to talk or let’s set up another time so that we can kind of get this going. Sure.

Speaker 5:

Mean that’s going to have that many senior leaders available

Speaker 2:

for the, basically the public to talk to. I’ve never heard of one. No, to be honest with you. Yeah. Typically recruiting staff only and then that’s it. You know, so it’s, it’s just an amazing opportunity and it’s, you know, thank you guys for volunteering to be there. Yeah, no, we’re really excited for it. Yeah. Well, I mean, we need, you know, obviously we need the town 300 openings, so, yeah. But Hey, Jason Bressler I’d met Turner. Appreciate it. Uh, find Matt Turner on. Don’t find Jason.

Speaker 1:

I’m just kidding. Send them a note. Send them, send them a cinema box of shoes and say you want to get your foot in the door if you want to get a size 11. Yes. Shit’s gonna hit the fairy real quick. I’m in trouble. Oh, but ain’t no honestly guys, I appreciate you hanging out with.

Speaker 2:

It’s a series, the pleasure of having the studio again, Jason and I look forward to a successful career. For any of you guys, anything else from us? Just let us know. We need some more experiences recruiters over at United shore because we are numbers that we need our just going to be crazy. So if you’re an experienced it recruiter and you want to work for United shore, you feel free to reach out to me directly or apply or talk to me. I’ll tell you what, talk to Bob. Yeah, exactly. Cool. Well Hey spiel. Jason Bressler, Matt Turner, appreciated from United shore. Fight him online a United shore.com or uwm.com. Uh, we’re going to take a quick break. This is the it in that he show and we’ll be right back. Wave as a free, easy to use financial software that helps freelancers, consultants, and small business owners make move and manage their money, bringing them closer to financial success through accounting, invoicing, payments and payroll.

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Speaker 1:

Thanks guys. Hey, that’s going to wrap things up for episode three 36 of the it and the D show. I’d like to thank Jason Bressler, Matt Turner from the United short in United wholesale mortgage to hanging out with us. Sincerely appreciate it. I’d like to thank wave and uh, uh, capital one and Vista print for, for keeping the lights on the show. We sincerely appreciate it. On behalf of Bob, Dave and Randy, do us all a favor, drink up your drinks, get your phone numbers. You don’t get to go home. You just got to get the hell outta here. See you next week. Drive careful cause it’s snowing. Beat it. See you guys.

 

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